The public sentiment on India's proposed digital governance reform is predominantly negative, fueled by distrust and skepticism towards the government's true intentions. Concerns revolve around systemic corruption, ineffective use of tax revenues, and doubts that the digital transformation will adequately address or improve transparency and efficiency. Many fear it may perpetuate existing issues or serve ulterior motives, such as privatization or exploitation, leading to increased disparity and inefficiency.

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&gt;My main question is where is the money going? 

Pockets of babus, buerocrats and politicians and sub par contactors.

The government pays contractors huge sums of money(the same money collected from taxes we pay) for their services (which are sub par), the contractors repays a significant portion of the same money back to babus, beurocrats and politicians as bribes/commision to get more contracts and get their sub par works approved.

Prameet88

We're paying first world taxes for third world benefits.

s4i74ma

Once you see the cost breakup of a car costing 30+ L on road, you’d give up on the idea of owning a car.

nottoohotwheels

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I have been managing e-commerce for many brand for more than 7 years now and trust me when I say this. I have seen people making around 10 percent only after all the headaches and risk of owing a business while platform takes 12 percent commissions and the government takes 18 percent gst

GovernmentForeign

How will modiji attend gazillion rallies and foreign tours if they don't tax us poors 

Also I think we haven't built any statues lately, I want one Mikasa statue, Titan sized

Williamsarethebest

Why so?

Because over the last 10 years, 25 lakh crore worth of corporate loan has been written off along with many other write offs ([source](https://twitter.com/Paul_Koshy/status/1715039343780438275))

It's public money

Now who will pay for it?

Ofcourse, us clowns, in the form of high taxes, I'd rather get back my taxes in the form of welfare schemes like electricity than it going to these blood sucking corporates.

ApricotOk824

Yes, apart from this we are getting pollution, Cancer causing food etc. 

The main problem is people are getting brainwashed and don't demand the basic facilities from the government.

Look at the standard of living of European countries they get a clean environment, healthcare is almost free.

Individual-Ad-9943

As ashneer says, "India's tax regime is punitive"

The thing that infuriats me the most is when these political thieves steal hundreds of crores of public money and spend it on their lavish lifestyle and to top it all, they would make reels about their spending be it luxury cars or mansions. There are dumbf**ks who then view their reels and worship them even more. Like wtf is wrong with people?.
It's like they steal a car from ur house, Ride it in front of ur face making reels about drifting and picking up chicks. All the while u just laughing and clapping and even worse endoring the very thief.

Mjwebwiz

Either abolish Income Tax (only 1 to 2% IT paid in India) or Tax the rich and leave out the middle class. So far , the biggest losers are the middle class, who fail to save money(due to taxing) they earn by slogging entire life!  The political class has no will to improve life common man and the middle class. The commission oriented govt projects are turning out be a big waste or not useable by the public due to substandard work done by the contractors. No leader in our country has a will to do good for the country men. Instead , they focus on sitting in Power chair eternally to enjoy luxurious life at the cost of taxpayers/citizens money. Politicians are not civilised yet

SindhuTerritory

How else are they gonna give ladli behna 15000 per annum and all sorts of similar schemes.

CelticHades

As a child used to think that people who evade taxes are bad now I know the reality!

How else is the supreme lord going to achieve "his" goal. Developed Country fraands

Little_Setting

its like India forcing people to migrate by taxing high and if a highly taxed person doesnt get anything return, they will try to migrate obviously

Firm_Advisor8375

Don’t worry, if congress comes they’ll increase more taxes to fund all these freebies and distribute free money, they already increased road tax and everything in Karnataka for it. I hope you’re ready for that.

govi96

If evaders paid their taxes , maybe the rest of us would have had lesser tax burden

kkn13

Money going to govt employees Salary too much high compared to our average salary of Indian !! Then pension !! As 50% amount why the heck it's partiality is that who worked in private sector getting any pension? If he /she turning into 60+ ? Not right also why freebies like free train travels and quarters ...food etc etc all allowances under our valuable tax paid money ( well some may get triggers and ask me whether I paid tax first I don't as my income is zero still on studies but my dad filed income tax paid ) those govt employees who are getting Salary of 50k - 2-3L per month don't even afford their own train tickets charges for quarters ( home ) why the hell govt giving such freebies , also then tender scam is also major reason ig by putting fake quotation like 10-15 lakhs for the small bus stop ... Damn people are even building the 800 square feet house within that budget it's our duty to change and starts to questioning unnecessary expenses and corruption doing by govt side 
Giving pension Military personnel is fine as they'll be retire at their 40's ... After that they don't have much scope to study something new and get into job ( maybe some can but overall not possible) so

Naretron

Too much population man, and even now educated guys producing 3 kids.., even the economy of US can't keep up with this population, problem is not the creation of infrastructure, it is its maintenance, and people are just producing kids like some kind of manufacturing plant and gets all defensive about it. This country is full of arrogant and ignorant people. Why else people are ditching this country and going to global north..

TotalCaramel7054

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| |Expenses| How Much we can reduce |Percentage of Waste|In Dollars Billion|
|Department of Agriculture and Farmers Welfare|117433.2|46973.26|40%|5.526265882|
|Department of Fertilizers|164147.2|82073.6|50%|9.655717647|
|Department of Food and Public Distribution|212976.2|85190.484|40%|10.02240988|
|Defense Services (Revenue)|282772.7|84831.801|30%|9.980211882|
|Department of Revenue|151449.3|113586.9975|75%|13.36317618|
|Police|120588.1|42205.835|35%|4.965392353|
|Department of Rural Development|177562.1|62146.7175|35%|7.311378529|
|Interest Payments|1190440|178566.0435|15%|21.00776982|
|States|1051514.47|420605.8|40%|49.48303|
| | | | |131.3154|

This the true wastage which can be recapitalized especially the Revenue service, the pensions of the military grandpas, the fertilizer wastages, the wastage on corrupt farmers, And not to forget the divisions extra of about 50 billion going to state govts when they don't deserve a penny more than 75 billion dollars combined.  Waste of about 131 billion dollars which is going nowhere but to various corrupt individuals like Generals, bureaucrats, police, Farm protesters, as interest payment for loans taken in between 2008-2018, State level politicians and finally to a few corrupt politicians in the center. Almost, 15-18 billion only goes to the intended recipients. Rest is all wastage.

Kahn-1369

flight_or_fight

This is a huge systemic change. It will take decades before the government revenue deficit will actually take a turn and provide with a discernible change. We are on an upward trend but it will take a generation of new and learned politicians to actually help expedite this trend. Countries like USA ans most of the developed countries levy around 50% tax but agreed that they provide services too. Here in India right now it may seem like too much tax and nothing in return but down the road there will be a change. Everything is connected to education is my take.

Deputy_Crisis10

Government debt also impacts taxes. The higher the debt, the higher the taxes. Economy is in a spiral. Keeping aside the “pocketed tax money”, if Govt spends extravagantly, the money they don’t have in the name of “development”, when the things developed aren’t earning you back an equivalent money, you go into a debt trap. Can be understood people buying expensive things via credit card EMIs because they can’t technically afford it or aren’t earning enough to afford those expensive items without having to borrow. 

As a result, to fill those EMIs of the debt govt is taking, govt has to increase taxes. There’s no way this gets over in a few years. As it is, our debt has doubled (or some similar figure) in just over a decade. So, these taxes aren’t going to slow down anytime soon. Not at least for the next few decades. 

We live a sad life here.

PreciousChocolate

Along with the taxes I also want to know where the money that is confiscated in raids goes? There's so many raids these days.

Most-Oil-2794

In General Government punishes people who work hard or make money.

steven_smith45

Hmm taxes are getting out of hand...!
Hopefully rates are revised.

As Ashneer Grover said. Jo tax bhar rahe hai wo charity kar rahe hai.

Relative_Pilot2110

Can I know the source from where you are studying?

1. Politicians 
2. Business holders and contractors 
3. Govt. Employees
Top 3 holder of actual money
On paper of govt. Spends ₹100, actual ₹30 is spent, rest goes to the aforementioned 3 places

Healthcare Tax and Education Tax are the worst thing a government can do tbh. I find it ridiculous. Yes, if you have great government Healthcare and government education, you can debate on that, but the state of these places is beyond worst. Every year I've to pay 18% extra for basic thing like health insurance and 18% on education fees, i mean its daylight robbery.

The very first thing which we need to change is the mentality of getting FREEBIES.The government is just taking the money from us and then again giving it back to us but in smaller portions. The day we stop believing this is "Public Property" let's use it as we please is the real development of our nation will actually start. Or else the govt will leach money from us and use it according to their own needs.

Positive_Load7315

I think people should understand that no party is good .not congress not bjp none the only ones who can actually help the people are the people themselves

akioharuki

Bro but all you want to know is where the your money is going even rich people give money they are also worried about their money 

And the most important thing is that , our government uses that money in a safe and secure way to make some developmental projects which are on par with other nations 
Take the Golden Quadrilateral developmental project  , Kolkata underwater metro , making India the third larget economy in the world , North-South-East-West Corridor project as an example. 

I am not telling you that the money is not going into the pockets of rich people and powerful politicians

IT IS GOING

But look at its positive effects too
They are TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN

not_labharth

Jaded_Net6811

The money is going in Buying MLAs of other parties for example that maharashtra government shift, using that money they let go loan of billionaires like adani and ambani, they use this money to buy youtubers such as ranveer allahabadia, abhi and niyu i can give you many such examples that where our tax money is going

You clearly haven’t studied GST. Your posts says (I work with GST on a daily basis)

Electronic-Baby9854

Vote more  for BJP same thing gonna happen again an again

Ancient-Mulberry7959

Do you mind sharing which book are you referring to for studying GST?

Reasonable_Bid_4325

one of the many things i dont like. this tax. and the vast amount of paperwork and complicated procedures (red taping) we need on admission in govt colleges is insane. some procedures should be made simple and govt websites should be made easier, faster and more intuitive.

I have filed tax on July 3rd but still it is in processing state why this much delay for refund?

Hot-Oil9343

About so many taxes that we pay year year.

Wealth tax has been abolished some 10-11 years ago.  

Corporate tax cannot be paid by an "average" Indian because it is levied only on companies.  

Road Tax: It is a capital expenditure. Road tax is paid only if you purchase a vehicle, you don't pay it otherwise. Every year.  

Toll tax is not a tax. Toll fee is a fee you pay for using certain highways and expressways and if you are driving a car. You'll never pay it if you don't use those roads.  There is a portal to make complaints if the highways aren't maintained. Also no need to pay toll if the roads are not maintained. 

Stamp duty and registration fee are not taxes. They are paid when you acquire property.  It is to protect you rights over a property. If the 80C limit didn't exhaust, Stamp duty is claimed as expense under section 80C.  

Professional tax is a very small amount anyway. You spend more than that if you have coffee at a restaurant/Cafe/CCD once.  

Custom duty is paid only on imported goods. Most products you use, on which you spend bulk of your money, are manufactured in India itself. So that will be a very small part.  Atleast middle class people don't use luxury goods for prestige. 

Now comes the major taxes, Income Tax and GST.  

Income tax varies according to the income you earn. The more you earn, the more you pay. It is impossible to generalise.  
For instance, someone earning ₹5 Lakhs a year will pay ₹0-1 out of every ₹100. But someone earning ₹30 Lakhs a year may pay up to ₹25-30 for every ₹100. 

GST, again depends on the kind of goods and services you consume. The rate of GST on essential goods is generally not very high.  
In general, it is unlikely that GST will form more than 12-15% of your overall spends, unless you are making a lot of discretionary expenditure. But again, this ₹15 out of 100 is a ballpark figure and very difficult to actually estimate as consumption patterns vary from person to person.  

However, what I can say is that the total amount you pay in taxes is nowhere close to the outrageous figure of 60–70% that keep floating around on social media.  

If you have an average middle class lifestyle, the total tax paid by you will be somewhere around 15- 25% of your total income, including all types of taxes.

The same person who complains so much about Indian taxes end up paying 30-40% or even more in a foreign country and get deported after few years on being fired from job. 

This also takes into account that you would be maintaining proper financial discipline and tax planning to reduce your tax liabilities as far as possible. If you can't afford to take some time of your, you can always pay a CA or Tax Consultant.

InternationalSite582

I worked in India for 6 years, earning decently well and paying 30% tax. In return, I was stuck in traffic for 2 hours every day commuting to work, hadn't used public transport for 5/6 years, pollution was high and dealing with RTOs or any public office was a nightmare. Left India 4 years back and the only thing I ask myself - Why didn't I leave earlier? I pay 40% tax now, but I am happy as I have good public transport, low pollution, safety, no babus to deal with and many intangibles that create stress in our country. If you are in your late teens, early 20s, try to leave the country as soon as you can. The first 4-5 years will be tough but you will be in a great position when you turn 30.

Sweet-Virus-7988

Police are pigs,,,, they are class traitors

Bonnot-gang

Writing like someone who actually has no contribution in civic life.

1. Every single account of Government money is public. Every scheme and how much money is allotted to it. You could have just read budget document.

2. Climate change: India actually increased its forest cover. 

3. Sub par services: Govt service will always have scope of improvement because of comparison standards. But if you have just came out of egg shell, you will compare with Social media posts. But for someone who is seeing these things since last 35 years, improvement has been leaps and bounds. 

4. Poverty: Reddit urban upper middle class seems to have no idea that not just 12 years ago, 29% population was under multidimensional poverty, which was 11% in 2022-23. That's where your tax money is going.

5. Infrastructure: In last 15 years, railways electrification has almost reached 99% from 60%. Different kinds of Expressways have increased from 3-4 in 2001 to more than 80 now. India has more than 100 operational airports. Only few are managed by private companies, else others are managed by govt or a govt entity. That's where the tax money is going.

AdhesivenessExact385

You didn't need to study GST to form such preliminary opinions. Since this is rant post and people love a good crib session, I am likely to be downvoted.

That said, nobody questions corruption and lack of services, but to say that you don't get ANYTHING in return is equally wrong.

Assume all government offices are closed, all traffic police stops, all cleaning workers go on leave, nobody looks after power generation, air traffic controllers stop working, nobody is servicing airports, army takes holidays, NCPI and UPI stops working, RBI closes, .. etc that's what you get for paying taxes.

Not enough, yes. Not nothing, as well.

agingmonster

This post doesn't make sense. Infact it doesn't even talk about GST, it's a rant about the government. 

If you want to rant about the government then rIndia and rUSI exist. Even if you want to rant here then atleast post some factual figures to support your arguments and not just a clownface 🤡 

Coming back to the point- People can't evade GST because it's an indirect tax where the burden is upon the ultimate consumer and all the intermediaries take input tax credit and pay the leftover output liability.

In the initial years there were cases of people taking false credit- that's the most one can do to evade GST liability. Now those cases have become negligible because of government policies.

When was the last time you didn't pay tax on anything you purchased ? Never. Because all the taxes are already included in prices.

Infact the GST law does not even have so many tax evasion provisions like the income tax act because the tax that people evade is mostly income tax(considering that less than 5% people pay income tax)

What part of GST did you study, pls mention the exact section number because I'll know.

Also for anyone who's claiming that everything is under GST- read notification 12/2017 of central taxes, and schedule 3 of cgst act, you'll know exactly how much is not taxed. Of maybe section read about zero rated supplies.

This feels like one of those quarterly "tax is too high,fuck the govt" posts that I find in rIndia but lost its way and landed here. Comment section feels similar too.

i_m_horni

Did you actually study? Tax collection and budget allocation are public and available to everyone. Have you seen the budget allocated this year. That budget includes tax collected + loan taken from banks

dante_2701

&gt;Government is taking too much tax on every commodity, service, etc. and not giving anything substantial in return.

You have 3 hostile countries with who you share a border.
Your Govt has to spend a MASSIVE chunk to protect you.

You have enemies within your country.
Your Govt has kept you safe, you are alive and under no threat of being killed.

You have 80+% below poverty line. 
Your Govt has been providing them with homes, ration, cooking gas, medical care.

If you don't like your country, what it does for you etc., then move out and seek greener pastures so you don't have to pay tax in your country. Let's see if you are capable of moving to a first world country on merit.

LazeLazerLazest

No!

This is exactly the **wrong** way to go about protecting personal data.

Creating a *property* right out of it just means that it will be tradeable.

The end result? 1) Privacy only for the rich; and 2) if you change your mind tough luck, the contracts says you sold it so no takesies-backsies.

Give people *inalienable rights* over their data instead (like the GDPR).

M2Ys4U

Data should be treated like an inalienable universal right, like Freedom of Speech is. If data is treated like property, it can be attached with monetization like said property.

its kind of bullshit that my data isnt mine.

That’s the problem with politicians: They need slogans that fit on a bumper sticker, whether they make sense or not. 

The concept of data ownership barely makes sense when it comes to machine-generated data. When it comes to personally identifiable data, it only reaches the level of a five-year-old’s logic who didn’t think about it more than five minutes. (1) not all PII is “generated by you” and (2) the concept of property doesn’t fit at all with most of what even Yang proposes, like the right to be forgotten.Yang seems to want something like GDPR (from the bullet points in the article) which would be much more an idea of control over PII plus defensive rights, not tradeable property rights.

I'd love to see this happen. I have no doubt big companies would fight against it though. They make a lot of money on personal data.

Butthatsmyusername

It wouldn't stop anything because user agreements are already asking us to give up our data rights that we don't even have yet.

realSatanAMA

in other words, a politician says things his voters like to hear but make no sense

Different_Persimmon

If we're talking about the legal aspect, that's not a good idea: laws can easily be changed and therefore, the sense of "personal property" in this context.

blyatmobilebr

FallingUp123

It’s worth noting that his stance seems to depend heavily on intellectual property rights. That you can own, and prevent wanton copying of, your data.

We all like this when it applies to our biometrics and clickstreams. Are we consistent in granting the same rights to the creators of patented software? MP3 files/videos? Can one consistently be in favor of this law, but also use services like The Pirate Bay and Sci-Hub?

Can't wait to sell my personal info at the McDataCenter for cents whilst all the anonymous rich people continue to hide both their money and faces.

HoppyBeerKid

Smart man Yang. 

My company is building a [Data Union](https://streamr.network/discover/data-unions/) platform which aligns with his 'data is a property right' vision. 

It enforces data sovereignty by design with a trustless data transport layer with end to end encryption and direct buyer-to-seller micropayments. 

Tech v Tech is the only way to win this battle.

aussie-fonzie

It is owned by you by copyright law, you created it, it is stored on a semi permeable recording alla digital storage. It automatically has copyright protection.

Absolutely true 100% and we need to take back control of it.  As soon as possible.

Anim8-4Life

I wonder how many terabytes of data would be erased if all the data companies collected was destroyed.

A Y is ahead of his time. He knows what’s going on and has great ideas

maestrophil

meh.

just another politician singing for his supper.

big deal. so gov changes the decoration to be more appealing at the front end, but will still siphon everything off via EARN-IT etc. madness on the back end (bEcAuSe TeH cHiLdReN!!!1111!!)

\-- not even mentioning all the lovely TLA gifts Fast Eddie uncovered; without guillotines, that'll **never** go away.

even if Yang's pipe dream came to fruition, it'll be the same "rules for thee not for me" story as always.

*!remindme 20 years*

therobnzb

You digital data **IS PERSONAL PROPERTY**.

brennanfee

Yang should go to law school at this point honestly. It'll be a great counterpart to the things he is proficient in.

ontopofyourmom

I don’t like yang and many of his ideas however this is one i can support

the-yes-man-please-

Too bad he’s the only one out there who understands tech and he dropped out.

TheDoctore38927

Agree with him, but this article is like a year old.

So [GDPR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation)

Optimistix_pessimist

detuned--radio

His proposition is comparable to how Europe views personal data, nothing revolutionary. I just don't think america is ready for that type of blanket data protection.

Sandune94

double_tripod

We patented and proved out the technology to make this happen beginning twelve years ago. See our recent letter to the European Commission concerning our proposal to strengthen the GDPR using our technology:  [https://certitudedigital.com/public\_docs/articlesdownload/EU\_GDPR\_Full\_Text\_EN\_marked\_up\_w\_cover.pdf](https://certitudedigital.com/public_docs/articlesdownload/EU_GDPR_Full_Text_EN_marked_up_w_cover.pdf)

HacklessHarbor

“All data generated“?

That‘s ridiculous and impossible.

Atlanton

bhuddimaan

Counter: now politicians who say and do corrupt things would be able to use DMCAs against reporters and news agencies to punish them for leaking it.

Lol you use their product and sign up with terms of service dumbasses

something is fucked up in the fact that every data will need to be linked to a owner.

like ''oh yeah i'm the one who write this shit (or whatever that is not the 'today' you) ten years ago, and now i want it removed'' i would prefer to delete the things and it's forgotten (y a know, like the cancel culture media and famous people granted to themselves, but us, peasants, can't escape the gross jokes we did when drunk a decade ago)

AlissonHarlan

[relevant memetics](https://twitter.com/helmirais/status/877825201257406464/photo/1)

undersleptski

remykonings

SimonGhoul

So how long before Twitter and Google cancel Andrew Yang?

SexualDeth5quad

Absolutely, I agree! Let us vote for this guy.

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